tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post114555358834562291..comments2023-08-24T04:34:47.490-04:00Comments on EXAMINING EMERGENT: Where Emergent Goes Bad (4) - Some (like McLaren) Open the Door to UniversalismPaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145910267434675532006-04-24T16:24:00.000-04:002006-04-24T16:24:00.000-04:00Bob:P.S. Maybe you should eat a Snickers bar.:-)Bob:<BR/><BR/>P.S. Maybe you should eat a Snickers bar.<BR/><BR/>:-)Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145910207518772592006-04-24T16:23:00.000-04:002006-04-24T16:23:00.000-04:00Bob,I can apppreciate your concern over language, ...Bob,<BR/>I can apppreciate your concern over language, and I don't want to get lost in this, but I think there is a difference between what I wrote and the example you gave of inserting "wife beater" in place of "universalist."<BR/>The difference is that there is zero evidence to suggest I am a wife beater. Obviously we have never met, so you do not have any firsthand knowledge of my behaviours,Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145884694592432272006-04-24T09:18:00.000-04:002006-04-24T09:18:00.000-04:00Rob, The thief called "on the name of the Lord [an...Rob, <BR/>The thief called "on the name of the Lord [and was] saved." Romans 10:13. What is the name of the Lord? It is Jesus. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was calling out to.<BR/><BR/>On people before Christ: check out Romans 3:25,26. Especially the part about God's propitiation and forbearance.<BR/><BR/>On people who have never heard: Romans 1 says that man is without excuse.Son of Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03682107505735897854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145762448597340942006-04-22T23:20:00.000-04:002006-04-22T23:20:00.000-04:001st, I can understand that you felt as though you ...1st, I can understand that you felt as though you were being generous with your opening statement re McLaren and universalism. But, seriously- not generous enough. The wording is extremely inflammatory. <BR/>An example:<BR/><BR/>"I am not aware if Paul Martin has actually <I>denied</I> being a wife-beater. He certainly never comes out and states that he does believe beating spouses is acceptable Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145754166034436232006-04-22T21:02:00.000-04:002006-04-22T21:02:00.000-04:00Bob - The chapter from which you quoted McLaren in...Bob - <BR/>The chapter from which you quoted McLaren in Secret Message was one with which I am general agreement with. In fact, I just picked it up to see the context of your quote and this is what I have written on the last page of that chapter: "This chapter was essentially good!" That is a direct quote and was written over a month ago when I first read the book. I only say that to point out Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145751732286565182006-04-22T20:22:00.000-04:002006-04-22T20:22:00.000-04:00Sorry for my delay in getting back to these commen...Sorry for my delay in getting back to these comments - see previous posts for explanation...<BR/><BR/>1. There have been comments deleted by me on this string - they simply had nothing to do with the discussion. <BR/><BR/>2. Universalism. Rob, you say that you have never said you are not a universalist. Well, I have, and I would hope that if asked you would, too! :-) If all people go to Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145734301918308992006-04-22T15:31:00.000-04:002006-04-22T15:31:00.000-04:00Rob said "He doesn't know. I'm really comfortable ...Rob said <I>"He doesn't know. I'm really comfortable with that answer.</I><BR/><BR/>I have a problem with that position. If someone from EC says that he doesn't know whether or not anyone will go to hell, then either:<BR/>(1) He really <B>does</B> think he knows, but is unwilling to say what he thinks. That would be disingenuous to say the least. OR<BR/>(2) He really does <B>not</B> know. In Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145719456582238962006-04-22T11:24:00.000-04:002006-04-22T11:24:00.000-04:00Wow, this looks a billion times better in Firefox!...Wow, this looks a billion times better in Firefox!Ian Hugh Claryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14686705614603192797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145666551686399852006-04-21T20:42:00.000-04:002006-04-21T20:42:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145654057216171642006-04-21T17:14:00.000-04:002006-04-21T17:14:00.000-04:00Paul, it really does sound like you are pulling qu...Paul, it really does sound like you are pulling quotes here to promote an agenda to categorize McLaren a universalist.<BR/><BR/>You acknowledge he hasn't said that he is a universalist and you acknowledge that he has made other statements that "appear to suggest that he is not a universalist" yet you don't bother to present those quotes in an attempt to be fair to the man.<BR/><BR/>This type of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145631289316112392006-04-21T10:54:00.000-04:002006-04-21T10:54:00.000-04:00I don't believe that McLaren has ever said for sur...I don't believe that McLaren has ever said for sure that he's not a girl. He's never stated that he's not a communist, that I know of. Therefore, he must be a girl communist.<BR/><BR/>Your fallacious logic betrays your motive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145590029107775782006-04-20T23:27:00.000-04:002006-04-20T23:27:00.000-04:00"McLaren includes other statements that appear to ..."McLaren includes other statements that appear to suggest (to some degree!) that he is not a Universalist, although he never fully comes out and says that he is not."<BR/><BR/>And why would he? I don't recall that I've ever made that statement either, and I'm sure if one were to comb through everything I've ever written you could statements I've made like "Jesus died for everyone" and infer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25552806.post-1145575339738728982006-04-20T19:22:00.000-04:002006-04-20T19:22:00.000-04:00I just wanted to say I'm really happy I found this...I just wanted to say I'm really happy I found this blog. A good friend and I discuss the issues (both good and bad) with the emerging church practically every single day. We have also started a discussion on another site (http://cafe.happymills.com/) if anyone here would like to check it out. The most recent post is about Philip Johnsons critique of the emerging church. Hopefully we'll be ableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com